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Maybe Minnesota nice has been rubbing off on me, I don't know.

Over the past few months there have been some posts on my friends pages where everybody else agrees with them and I sit there thinking "get OVER yourselves." But I don't do anything about it. There once was a time where I would have no issue saying that to a person and would be ready to debate about it. I felt confident in my opinions. I was ready to voice my thoughts. Now I don't.

Maybe I'm just growing up or some shit like that. Maybe I'm "maturing" and I don't feel the need to correct people. But holy god, there have been some pretty self rightious posts and I've just been "you know what, no - I just don't care." But I do - it eats away at me. Like, how can I let these people go on thinking like that. Do they HEAR what they are saying? Actually hear it? And then everybody else is like "OMG - you said what I've been thinking for like, EONS" or "You're so right, my god you're so right." Everybody is giving these great, glowing remarks and I sit there, fingers itching to be all "dude, you're wrong. Get off your high fucking horse." But I don't.

I don't know if it's because I'm too polite to make a comment like that on someone's personal space (but I wouldn't have a problem saying it to them in person) or if I just don't want the backlash. Either way what's eating at me is the fact that I care that I don't care. I'm one big walking hypocrite or somthing like that.

Oh, and this post isn't meant to be cryptic or shit like that. I don't want anybody getting mad at me or start being all "what, bitch has a problem with my views? Why don't bitch come out and SAY those problems, huh? huh?" And that's just the whole thing - I don't want to discuss this shit on your guys journals. If you said it to me in person, that'd be different. And don't get me wrong, I love reading my friends list - it keeps me occupied during the slow time at work and I know that if I had a major issue with any of this crap I could just defriend people (omg - it's such social no-no to do that! But I'm sure most of you have your own filtered friends list - it's a way for you to read those who you want but not others and it solves the unsighty business of deleteing someone.).

I'm just wondering where the fuck my spine went.
Hmm. . .well, since i tend to really irritate people with my posts in both my LJ and other peoples', I feel the urge to weigh in on this in the only way I know how.

I say it's a matter of groupthink infecting LJ like it has the rest of the web. I've read threads on all sorts of boards, from WWF to Philosophy to Mixed Martial Arts to Shakespeare to Survivor:Outback to the upcoming election, and they all have the same kind of themes.

YOu have someone with an opinion. 90% of the people agree with it and go 'huh huh yeah yeah' and post nothing redeeming. Then you have the one person who actually doesn't agree and evryone gets their panties in a jumble telling that person their wrong, usually with the most ridiculous insults ever. Case in point:

I posted something on urs in simple disagreement over the role of women and career in today's society, and I beleive people assessed me as person as someone who was someone who didnt make anyone proud, wore a paper hat to work, etc. And as soon as I made a comment in return (I believe I asked the lady who insulted my profession to not insult my profession as I did not forcibly evict the gentlemen who pay for her services out of her domicile) I believe I was insluted even worse.

While the completely dickheadedness of my post might have something to do with it (EDIT: most of it, probably), I noticeed a recurring theme in other posts from other people over different topics. If you don't have the one acceptable opinion (like HHH holds people down on RAW, Bush is akin to Hitler, Eastern Philosophy is the greatest thing ever because it wasn't spoiled by Europeans, Kill Bill Vol 2 is the greatest movie ever, or whatever thread u get tangled up in) you're automatically a moron and thus entitled to have your entire life belittled.

Kaela pointed it out to me, and I really noticed it afterwards. Eventually, I think you learn where to pick your battles. You can only have so much piss and vinegar in you; 40+hours a week working for the machine, sleep, eating, and whatever hobbies/activities you do take up valuable time that picking LJ fights takes up. Me, if it's choosing between getting in early for my workout in for the day or commentating on some caveat of John Kerry I'm going to choose Bally's.

Like Kaela and Abby just kind of point out where I'm either factually wrong or just being an asshole, or it's the subject of politics and my right wing conservatism can be semi-bothersome.

BUT both sides of this spectrum serves a valuable purpose, as others can point out things I might have missed and I can do the same for them.

I view LJ like this. It gives me a chance to read what others have to say, no more no less. Yeah you get the lemmingness of people to just agree without thinking about it, but thats everything on the web from what I've seen.

Damn, I need a drink.
I find it interesting that if people were to agree with your views in droves you would have no problem. However, the moment people disagrees with you, it becomes "group think" and, as I take it "wrong because they aren't using their brains."

Recently in a community someone got banned and threw a hissy fit for all the wrong reasons. She did have a view point that WAS different from people - the only reason people got mad at her was because she was very insulting, using personal attacks. The Mod asked her to appologize for being rude - mind you, the mod DID NOT ask for her to retract her view. Meanwhile, the girl threw this big hissy fit for getting band because *gasp* she had a different view point.

IN all honesty - it's not what you say, it's how you say it. A lot of people don't understand it. THey think that people are getting pissed at them for their different view points but really people are just getting pissed at them because they're ass holes. That's what I'm having an issue with. I can't respond in any way constructive: it all becomes too personal of an attack.
that pisses me off too. . . . .people can't take someone else's differing opinion without thinking of it as a personal attack. The net's the whole way; you either have people launching personal vendettas for *gasp* having people disagree or people writing things just to start some shit.

And if anyone agress with me in droves it's a shock to me, to be honest. It's groupthink either way; all I want is for people to think for themselves, and its annoying for 100 messages of "your right" or "your wrong."

Is that so wrong?
But what if they agree with you because they actually agree with you, not just going with the flow? Not everybody who is going to disagree with you is disagreeing with you because it's the hip thing to do. Some people are gonna disagree with you because you're just plain wrong in their minds and odds are they probably have some good evidence behind them. In a perfect world, this would be the case at least 90% of the time. However, because it's the 'net and stupid people run rampent, they aren't going to be able to defend themselves.

Now this leads to where personal attacks come in. FOr example: If you were to say that I was wrong, and everybody who thought I was right was a stupid but fucking moron who didn't deserve to live, let a lone breathe, well, that I would consider a personal attack. You and Tiff had a good row of this on the feminist post a few months ago. I was actually really hesitanat about letting them go - it was getting pretty nasty there. I don't like nasty in my LJ, but I will support debate.

I've found that the less proof someone has, the more likely they are to resort to name calling. This turns into personal attacks. But just posting a disenting view point and being really rude about it isn't supporting debate, it's just being dumb (and I'm not saying that you have done this today, just to be clear.)
I have done it in the past tho. . .so it's ok. And Tiff just brought the personal attacks. . . she insulted my mother, if memory serves me right, so I say she deserved it.

Sometimes, I think people want to just be asses about it for the sake of being asses.

Oh well. . .I will conclude by saying one thing.

Sept 25th I will be in your neck of the woods. We shall have drinks.