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Bush Says Intelligent Design Should Be Taught

I have no problem if people don't want to believe in evolution. That's a belief that is grounded in faith and who am I to tell them that they are wrong? Besides, that's something they'll find out when they die and get sent to hell for being dumb asses (no, really, I'm kidding).

What I DO have a problem with is the idea that ONLY CHRISTIAN CREATIONISM is correct and that we need to teach that along side of evolution in schools.

That's bullshit - complete and total bullshit.

Intelligent Design is based on faith and only on faith. There's no science behind it. It DOES NOT BELONG IN A SCIENCE CLASS. I would be willing to compromise and allow world religions to be taught, with out bias, in public schools. They could have a whole section on all the creationist stories at once and talk about how they differ and alternative ways that life began on earth. Intelligent Design could be taught in this class. I would have no issues.

But I DO NOT WANT a "disclaimer" in biology books expressing how evolution IS ONLY A THEORY and should not be taken seriously. Well, yes, evolution IS a theory. It's a working theory, just like all our theories have ever been. It's still gathering evidence and while it has yet to be proved completely as fact, the evidence provided show that right now - it's probably the best theory we have. Why do we need a disclaimer? I don't know of any biology teacher who teaches it as fact. They present the evidence as shown and teach how that's part of a greater theory.

I DO NOT WANT "creation science" taught in science class BECAUSE IT'S NOT A REAL SCIENCE. It's based off of FAITH! You can't measure faith, you can't feel faith, and one person's faith is not the same as the next persons. And it's all based off of the Judeo-Christian belief. Why are all other creation stories considered myths but this one isn't?

Personally - I believe in God, I believe in evolution. There's still room for God in the theory of evolution, but that's a personal issue, not one meant for the science class.

Why is it so hard for us to band together and work together to make sure that evolution stays in public education? Why can't we find someway to compromise? And I mean BOTH sides - why are the conservative christians so threatened by this theory? Learning it as a tool for biology is not going to destroy their faith. Besides - if their faith was so damn strong, they shouldn't FEEL threatened by evolution.

And why can't people understand the difference between FACT and WORKING THEORY. Evolution is still a working theory - but we have A LOT of working theories out there as well. Hell, America is a working theory, we're the great experiment. Evolution is not a fact, but it's the best theory we have right now and pretty much all of biology is based off of that theory.

I mean, THIS IS OUR CHILDREN'S EDUCATION AT STAKE. How can we play silly games while the future generation gets pulled and yanked about? We scream and yell "won't someone PLEASE think of the children??" but what we really mean is "won't someone PLEASE validate my own personal way of living?"
Well. .. .Evolution is just a theory. People object when its taught as fact and as the only way there. . . .and GWB is talking about teaching both. Don't get your human secularist panties in a jumble Meg.
It is a theory - but why should we be teaching intelligent design in a science class?

Why do we have to base creationist theory off of christian beliefes? Why not others?


The theory of macro-evolution is junk science. That theory which states that everything came from premordial ooze always has a missing link. To believe in the missing link seems to me an article of faith. We have no problem finding people/bones from before the missing link, and no problem finding people/bones after the missing link. To believe in a missing link without proof it exists is faith.

Just as people who believe in intellegent design.

Yet one is taught, and one is shunned.

That is discrimination.

What they ought to do is teach true darwinism which is good science (microevolution, mutation, survival/adaptation etc.) and just go silent on all the theories of creation. Science doesn't know, can't know, won't know so it should shut the hell up and leave it to philosophy/religion classes.

I don't really care either way.

I don't really come at this from a strong religious angle...I come at it from the angle of hating chemistry. I mean for years they taught people that the atom was the smallest particle of anything. Then opps. No the smallest part are subatomic particles. Well now we know the smallest particle right? Nope...that couple of decades of teaching was wrong too. Its quarks. I like real science, but once you get up to a certain level it isn't science anymore. Its philosophy. And if anyone taught philosophy the way they teach advanced science, they would be carted to the loony bin.

So that is where I'm coming from. The advance sciences need to come out from behind the curtain of certitude ( I copyright that as the title of my third album, all rights reserved ) that "science" provides.
I don't think any one is shunning creationism or intelligent design as long as it's taught OUT SIDE of science. That's the point I'm trying to stress.

I believe in God and Evolution. I think they go hand in hand, however - these are things that I feel to be true, but can't prove with any form of evidence. This is why my views and views like them shoud not be taught in a science class.

Is there room for creationsim/intelligent design in public education? Sure - if it's taught in a non biased world religions class, or a philosophy class. But there's no proof for it. There is proof for the case of evolution using the facts presented. Personally, I think a world religions class and a philosophy class would be wonderful additions to public education.

Evolution is key in understanding how science works. It's a tool for scientest to understand animal classification, ideas on animal behaivor, keys to our own behaivor. And yes - as I stated in my original post - evolution it is just a theory, but looking at the facts presented and the evidence gathered, it's a good working theory that has been changing over the years. If we limit ourselves to what we teach, it would be like we were still teaching that the smallest unit is the atom.

So I think we are agreed - let there be science in a science course, let there be philosphy in a philosphy course, and let people make up their own minds on which one to believe, or let them form a hybrid of the two beliefs.

I guess what really bothers me about the whole thing is why does it have to be the Judeo-Christian creation story that is taught and stressed in creationism, and not other ones? Because man - the norse creation story KICKS ASS. So does most native american stories as well.
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Stupid muggle money. Barter is the only system that should exist.
Why is it so hard for us to band together and work together to make sure that evolution stays in public education? Why can't we find someway to compromise?

Because the Christian right is comprised of lunatics and at the moment they're in charge of the country. But don't worry too much. They're currently biting themselves in the ass left and right (see also: Terri Schiavo and Bill Frist's stem cell flip flop) and leaking credibility faster than they can handle. Anyway, I agree with you. So does my devoutly Catholic science teacher mother.
By the way, I think it would be awesome if other cultures' creation stories were taught. I did an internship in college helping the Science Museum collect creation stories for an exhibit that got scrapped. They are pretty interesting. And maybe if the religitards (tm singleentendre) found out their kids were learning that the world had been sneezed out of a giant spider or some such thing, they would get the point.
If there was intelligent design occuring, GWB would never have been created.
The funniest/saddest thing about this is that you used grammar on par with GWB in order to insult him.
I was taught evolution and I went to a Catholic school. It was taught in a biology class, as I would prefer. There was one day where wechatted for all of 10 minutes about Creationism, and the rest of the year it was never mentioned. Why? Because we had RELIGION classes all semester every year!! If people want to have creationism taught with evolution, do it in the private school system. If you can't send your kids to private schools, then intruct them in your own home. Otherwise, shut the fuck up and don't push religion on the public schools system. It will only cause more rifts in a system that already has more holes and rifts in it than anyone can shake a stick at. No need to add religious overtones to the bureacracy.
I could have written this comment word for word. Went to Catholic school, learned evolution, religion in religion class, etc, etc. It's the way to go.
Okay, I'm not touching this one. I know what I believe, and I know what I've experienced, but science and religion will never be reconciled.

Way to open a can of worms Meg! :P
Intelligent design just hurts. It pains my scientific brain.

The one that hurts the most... "It's just a theory"

I really want to say to them, "So how's that theory of gravity working out for you? Still just a theory? Not quite convinced it's the real thing yet?"

And I'd say it with an english accent, cause that's just spiffy. Bloody hell.

I'm not gung-ho for intelligent design either.

But does your scientific brain really think that the theory of evolution is just as sound as the theory of gravity? Not all theories are equal. Some are pretty damn sound. Some have gapping holes/major contradictions in them *cough*evolution*cough*